There is but one course for this people to take, in order to be
Saints; and that is to do right, to be just, to be true, and to be
honest. I will tell you, gentlemen, it is not the character of a Saint
to lie, to deceive, and to take the advantage of one another: that is
not the character of a Saint. It is to receive the truth from God,
from his Son Jesus Christ, and from the Holy Ghost.
Just as sure as I abide in the vine, so sure am I to partake of that
Spirit that is in the Father; and it comes down through the Son,
continuing down through that vine till it comes to me.
Well, I am standing very near the head of that vine; that is, the vine
that is springing out of the Father, even in the latter days. Brother
Brigham is the head of the vine, and I stand right by him, and every
man that holds the Priesthood stands right by us, and should have the
same Spirit that we have, and the same that was in Jesus Christ.
Now, if I have got the Holy Ghost in me, I am dictated by the Father,
and by the Son, and by the Holy Ghost; and everything is
clean and right between me and the Father. Then what is there to
hinder me asking the Father, in the name of Jesus, and receiving, if
all is right and there is no obstruction?
If there is an obstruction, that obstruction is not in the Father, it
is not in Jesus, neither is it in the Holy Ghost; but if there is an
obstruction, it is in me. I caused it, did I not? Yes, I did. But if we
have the principles of this Gospel dwelling in us, that is by the
Spirit of truth; and they are life.
Every word of truth you receive and treasure up in your bosoms is
light and life, for light is life; and if these principles are in us,
and we cultivate them, I tell you there is no spirit of death in us.
But we abandon the principles of death, and there is no place in us
for death; but it is light, and life, and intelligence; and if those
principles continue to dwell in us, we will be like a well of water
springing up into everlasting life.
How can a man lie when there is not an untruth in him? How can he take
the advantage of his brother? How can he act the hypocrite? How can he
be dishonest, when there are none of these things in him? How can he
do any of these evil things, when there is nothing but light and truth
I am aware that a great many people have not an idea that light is
life, and truth is light: they do not believe it nor comprehend it;
but it is so. Have I a disposition to lie to my brother? If I had said
anything, and brother Brigham was to say, "Brother Heber, how is it?
Is it so?" I would not dare to lie to him; for he holds the keys of
life, light, and intelligence to this whole nation: he holds the keys
of light and truth; and you might as well lie to God as to lie to him;
for the man that would lie to him would lie to God.
Now, if any man follow the practice of lying, deceiving, or working
any manner of iniquity, I do not care if he pretends to be a Saint
today, his corruption will surely be made manifest; and although he
may have a name to live and to dwell among this people, yet, if he
continues that course, he will go to destruction, both body and
Take a person that practices evil, and you will see that person
uneasy: such individuals are never easy a minute. But you take a
person who has got the Spirit of God, who is humble, meek, and of a
childlike spirit, that is the man. I do not care if he is in a
mudhole, neither do I care if he has forty mobocrats after him, or if
he is astraddle of a cannon, he is happy.
This makes me think of brother Amasa and brother McGinn: the mob took
them and rode them on a cannon. Well, this is easier than it is to
ride on a rail.
They asked them to preach; so brother McGinn preached to them, showing
the reverence of the animal creation towards their God, and said, "The
hen put down her head and took a drink of water, and then lifted up
her head in thanks and adoration to her God. Well, you see, there is a
good deal of thankfulness and reverence in a hen." "Amen," says
brother Amasa: "Lord, make us all hens." That was about the winding up
of the discourse; and by preaching these things they gained the
affections of those mobbers, so that they let them go.
Brethren, let us take the counsel that we received from brother
Spencer; and let us be humble and be Saints; and let every man honor
his calling and make it honorable; and by so doing, God will honor
that man, and he will honour every man who honors that man and who
honors his religion. If every man will live his religion, serve his
God, and honor his Priesthood, we never will be troubled from
this day henceforth and forever; no, never.
Will our enemies come among us? They won't come this year; they may
try as much as they please.
[President B. Young: "Except we let them in." ]
No, never can they come here, except we let them in.
Well, as the evil is measurably turned away this year, if the Saints
will be faithful, they will be foiled next year, and then more
abundantly the year after that, and so on. But they will keep sending
their troops and forces from year to year and from time to time, and
you need not lay down your watch. The day has come when the Devil is
coming with all his combined forces: he has laid a siege against the
kingdom of God, and it never will cease till this kingdom triumphs.
It is for you to be just as good judges of the truth as I am; and you
will be, if the truth dwells in you.
Brethren, let me tell you that I have no spirit in me to shed blood. I
never had it in me but once in my life, except I have it in me when I
am angry. Once I was inspired by the Almighty with that spirit, and
that was in Nauvoo; and so was brother Brigham; and I felt to say that
I was sorry that peace was declared. We had just got ready when the
gap was shut up.
Do I want to shed the blood of my brethren and sisters, or to see it
shed? No: and neither do you, unless the Holy Ghost dictates for us to
shed the blood of our enemies; then it is just as right as it is for
us to partake of the sacrament. But I wish they would take the hint,
and go the other way, and not attempt to come here. We do not want to
hurt them; but if they come upon us, and we have to repel them by the
force of arms, God Almighty will give us the power to do it: now, mark
You know, I said that I had wives enough to whip the United States;
and why? Because they will whip themselves, and my wives would not
have to resist them.
This is a good day; and what is there for us to do? It is for us to
take a course to lay up our grain, our corn, our barley, and oats. A
great many of you have been brought up on oatmeal porridge. I have
been in the old country, and seen you live on it, and have eaten it
with you; and so has brother Hyde.
There are thousands of people in England that would consider they were
perfectly happy, if they could get one spoonful of oatmeal each day
for life. I have heard brother Brigham state the same thing. Why, here
are women, and men, too, who sing before us, with whom I have eaten
oatmeal porridge; and I like it, for it is digested very quickly, and
leaves people very comfortable.
And now, take a course to lay up your stores and prepare for the
worst. We are blest, this year, above all the blessings that have
been since the earth was organized.
Here is brother James Smithies: he is working some land on shares for
me upon the Church farm. He has this year raised one-third more than
any previous year, and on less ground. And this people are blest in
proportion like that. Who has done it? God has done it, and has blest
this people, because they have repented of and forsaken their sins,
and confessed them, many of them.
Well, if we take this course, he will continue to bless us and to
multiply blessings upon us; but, let me tell you, brethren and
sisters, if you persist in evil, in lying, and in your deceptions, the
curse of God will be upon you, and you will be cursed.
I do not allude to any, only those of that character; and if
there are any of that character present, I will say to them, If you
feel disposed to persist in your wickedness, you shall see sorrow,
while the virtuous and the honest shall increase in blessings; their
crops, their stock, and all that they have shall increase. There is no
blessing that can be withheld from a righteous man or a righteous
woman: the heavens cannot withhold its blessings; but all the blessings
of the heavens and of the earth are theirs, because they are heirs.
We are to become heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ. What
blessings are to be withheld from Jesus Christ? There is no blessing
pertaining to this earth but what belongs to Jesus: then there is no
blessing that will be withheld from the faithful.
Brethren and sisters, we are heirs with him to the estate of his
Father, just as much as two sons and one daughter and their faithful
children are legal heirs to a father's estate. When a father dies and
makes his will, he wills that property to them that are faithful to
him; and so it is with us; and it is natural.
I feel to ask the Father, in the name of Jesus, to help my brethren to
live their religion, honor their Priesthood and calling; and I pray
you, brethren, to live your religion and serve your God, that we may
see the power and the magnitude of our God in the last days. I tell
you there never were any people, since the world was organized, that
have seen such mighty and romantic power of God as this people will
Is there a collision between us and the United States? No; we have not
collashed: that is the word that sounds nearest to what I mean. But
now the thread is cut between them and us, and we never will gybe
again; no, never, worlds without end.
[Voices: "Amen." ]
You may think that I am not correct; but I am in the habit of telling
the truth when in fun as well as in earnest; and men that cannot are
not worth much.
We have never been the aggressors, but they have raised the weapons
of war to exterminate us as many as five times, and they have robbed
us of all we had. I have but three little articles in this world that
I obtained before I was a "Mormon" —an earthen vessel, a tin
tea canister, and a chest that brother Brigham made for me: he made me
several, but that was the first one.
I have been robbed, and plundered, and afflicted, if you call it
affliction; but I do not call it affliction. I have heard many tell of
what sorrowful times they have had; but they are as good times as ever
I had in this life. I leave it to brother Brigham, if I have not been
as happy in the mud as I have been anywhere. Some of you have seen
these times in Iowa: I think some of you were there. I had happy days
during those times; and I am happy and thankful that I live in the
tops of these mountains, right on the backbone, where we have got on
some good spurs. I tell you we boast that we are on the tops of the
mountains; but let us boast in the Lord and in his strength.
We have received the Gospel of repentance—of baptism for the remission
of sins; and we have received the Holy Ghost, and it has brought us
here. Well, a great many tell what sorrowful times they have had. "O
dear, I think I have a perfect right to lie like the Devil; for I
think what I have passed through ought to atone for all I have done."
It is a poor coot, let me tell you, that will make such excuses. Let
me tell you, that does not pay for one lie.
Supposing you lie, or steal, or commit adultery, and so on—what you
have suffered is not going to pay for this debt. Independently
of these things, what are trials for? To prove our integrity—to try
us, whether we will stand to God and to his kingdom. The Bible says
that we are to come up through great tribulation; that is, the hardest
kind of trials. You know, the harder you put on the robes to the
washboard, the better they are washed.
I want to bring up a comparison. Brother Brigham is the head of the
limb: and which has the hardest work to bear—he that has to lug all
that is attached to that vine, or you that are branches of that vine?
Which is the hardest, and which has the most to carry—the tree, or the
one apple that clings to the tree? Which has the most suffering to
pass through—one individual apple, or the tree itself?
Your troubles, and trials, and perplexities are nothing more than one
apple, in comparison to brother Brigham's cares; and still I presume
there are lots who think that they have more trouble than brother
Brigham or brother Heber. But you do not appreciate your privileges
and blessings: you are not thankful to the giver, or to the
benefactor; and that makes you troublesome, and you feel as if you
could not endure it: you feel that you are passing through more than
all the rest of the Saints.
Do you suppose that I calculate to get any pay for what I pass
through? No; but I am thankful, and praise the Lord every day of my
life that I was true to Joseph, and to Hyrum, and the brethren that
have gone. What would those give that were not faithful, if they had
been as true as brother Brigham and brother Heber? They would give all
they have got; yes, they would sit down and be skinned from head to
foot, and have every nail pulled out of their toes and fingers. I am
thankful that I was faithful; but I am sorry for them: but that man
that has murmured, and complained, and tried to make brother Joseph a
dishonest and unhallowed man, has great need to mourn for himself.
If I were in the position of some, instead of letting a week pass
before I made an atonement to the satisfaction of those offended, I
would go right off and do it at once. Some men come upon this stand
who have acted unrighteously, and forsaken and betrayed us, and
thereby brought death and destruction upon thousands of men, women,
and children. They will get up and say, "I have sinned against God and
in his sight; and now, brethren, I want you to restore me to perfect
fellowship and friendship."
Do you not see that they want to be restored, every limb and joint, to
the perfect embraces of this people? Well, we have to take them at
their word and receive them into fellowship. Do I feel to say, Yes,
receive them? Yes, I do. But are they in full fellowship when they
have been out of the Church ten or twenty years? How can such a man be
restored to full fellowship without a time for making restitution to
the complete satisfaction of all the parties aggrieved—until we can
say, "Well done, good and faithful servant, enter into our joys and
partake of our blessings?" This is my faith. If a person takes a
course to injure me, although he might not injure, yet it is the same
as though he did: the will is taken for the deed.
I look to my head and to my governor—the man who holds the keys of the
kingdom of heaven on the earth. I have thought, a great many times, of
what the Lord has said, through his servant Joseph the Prophet, that
not a hair falleth from the head of a righteous man without the notice
of our heavenly Father. Do you think that God does not notice little lies and deceptions—little this, that, and the other?
Do you believe, brethren and sisters, that that man who does not
appreciate the kindness of his benefactor that feeds him, and clothes
him, and administers to his wants—do you suppose that he will be
thankful to God for his favors? No; the men or the women who do not
appreciate the kindness of their benefactor, are not thankful to God.
They are under condemnation; they are in the gall of bitterness and in
the bonds of iniquity; and I know it.
Did I ever receive a kindness or a blessing from a person without
being grateful for it? No, never; but, say I, "Thank you for this,
because it comes when I am in need of it." Well, supposing I mete out
to a person from year to year, and he or she does not appreciate it,
but says, "It is nothing more than your reasonable service, Mr.
Kimball, to give me a living." Well, we admit of that; and it is no
more than reasonable that you should make some kind of acknowledgement
and show kindness to me.
I would not give a dime for you, except your love is manifested by
your works—by your faith and works. Love or hatred is manifested in
this way. Do not I prove to that man that I return the compliment to
him by my kindness? The man or woman that will not return the
compliment is not of much account.
I have said for years that never—no, never again will I be subject to
such cursed scoundrels as the United States Government have sent here
as officers. I say, in the name of Israel's God, I will not.
[Voices: "Amen." ]
James Buchanan now occupies the chair of state. He and his
counselors, his coadjutors, his cabinet, and Congress have met and
planned the destruction of this people—of brother Brigham and his
associates in particular; and the priests of the day say amen to it;
and they exhort the people to say amen to it; and the whole people of
the United States are under condemnation. They consented to the death
of Joseph, Hyrum, David, Parley, and lots of men, women, and children.
The ground is planted with men, women, and children, from Nauvoo to
this place; and the world have consented to it, and they say it is
The Government, the President, the heads of the military departments
and of all the governmental affairs have consented to these things.
When we were poor, and lived on cow-hides and cattle, skunks and
thistle roots, brother Brigham and his brethren paddled this way and
that way, and sought out this place.
While we were in Winter Quarters, 500 men were demanded. They
traveled over the Plains and gained a part of Mexico, which is this
land. Then came grasshoppers and crickets, and eat up our crops; and
our enemies have all the time been saying that it is just—they deserve
Now, brethren, if you can comprehend what I have said, they shall
suffer all that we have, and it shall be doubled upon them, and then
it shall be pressed down.
I know that while you and I have no feelings of anger, we are right.
Jesus says, "With what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you
again." The Scriptures say that Jesus said this; but if he did not, it
is just as true as anything that is written: it is God Almighty's
truth. Yes, they will meet it in the United States, beginning at the
But we are free! They have laid a snare to entrap us and to kill
brother Brigham; and they want to hang him between the heavens and the
earth, and every other man that will support him: but as the Lord God
Almighty lives, they shall meet that also; and if I had the
power, I would tell it to them so that they could hear it. Do I fear
them? I do not fear anything that is upon this earth.
Do I fear my God? No; but I love him, and I fear to offend him. He is
my Father, and I sprang out of his loins, just as my son William
Kimball's children sprang out of his loins; and every man and woman
that has been upon this earth was once in our Father's loins, just as
much as my children ever were in mine; and Jesus was the firstborn,
and we are heirs of our Father and our God, and we will gain the prize
through much tribulation.
Let me tell you that ten years will not pass away before God will play
with this nation as he did with Pharaoh, only worse.
I tell you these things, that you may know that wherein you measure
out you have got to receive back; and where you lie, you have got to
take that lie back; and where you offend your God and benefactor, as
the Lord God liveth, you have to take that back, or you will get a
scourging—that is, where your benefactor is a man of truth and is
walking in his calling.
If I abuse brother Brigham, it is my business to make satisfaction to
that man. Well, I would not offend him nor any good man in this
congregation; no, I would not. If I offend him, I do it ignorantly;
and if I did, I would repent of it. I did offend him once or twice in
my life, and I repented in tears and in sorrow; and I wish to God
there had never such things existed since I was born. Well, I was
ignorant, and I was a child. Well, if I have got to make those
recantations, you have, too, when you offend or do wrong to each
I am teaching what you call strong doctrine; but I am teaching nothing
but what is true. It was true to me, and it is equally true to you. It
is the duty of every Elder, Teacher, High Priest, and Deacon to begin
to live a new life. Why? Can you do any better than you are doing this
This year I have built a barn 102 feet long. Well, then, the next year
I may build two such barns. This proves that the more a man does the
more he is capable of doing. But because I made ten rods of fence last
week, does that prove that I can make twenty this week? If you,
sisters, knit one stocking this week, must you knit two next week, and
kill yourselves? Or, if you have put ten yards of cloth in your skirt
this year, should you put in twenty next year? No; but put in six next
year. But I want to show you the extremes.
I was speaking here, last Sunday, by the permission of brother
Brigham, of brother Eddington. He is an honest man; or, if he is not,
we will prove him.
[President B. Young: "You will prove him to be an honest man." ]
Well, brother Eddington seemed to fall in with the idea. We want the
ladies to bring in their surplus clothes for brother Eddington to sell
for wheat and other grain. I speak of the females, because they have
got the most clothes in their hands. If you have got five dresses,
hand two over to him, and let him buy wheat, corn, barley, pork,
mutton, tallow, &c.; and then he will pay you in those articles for
your coats, jackets, pantaloons, and bustles! Just put in your bustles
there, and get them full of wheat instead of bran!
I have foreseen the necessities of these things.
Go and take your clothes, and do not be afraid that you will never get
any more; for, let me tell you, if you will lay up these stores, you
will have clothing till it shall be a drug and a trouble to
You do not believe that, some of you; but I tell you, if you do not
believe it, and if you do not know it, it is because you are not
living your religion. But the day will be, and it is right at our
doors, when thousands and millions in the United States and in the old
countries will come to us and render to us all the rich things that
this earth affords, in exchange for food.
Brother Eddington says that where there is one person that brings
clothing there are twenty that have wheat to dispose of. Go into the
country north and south, and there is not one woman in ten that has
got as much cloth as you have on your backs today.
There are many before me that have got an abundance of as good clothes
as ever were put on, while those who live in the country have scarcely
Do not be afraid of brother Eddington, for he is an honorable man,
and will pay you in wheat, corn, buckwheat, tallow, or anything else
that he can command. Well, you take a course to sustain him and buy
wheat; and if you do not want it, there are others that are ready to
take it; and the day will come when you will hand over your rich
clothing and jewelry for it.
Do you not know that brother Brigham told you he would not deal it
[President B. Young: "We will buy them too." ]
Brother Brigham Young does not lie, nor his brother Heber.
Well, now, am I going to save men and women by lying. No; I will save
myself by telling the truth; and I will take the truth all the time,
and others may take lies, and see which get to heaven first. I tell
you, you will find us as far apart as are heaven and hell.
"Well," says one, "Are you going to do this?" Yes, I am going
one suit of clothes on and sell the rest, except a change; and see if
the day does not come when I will have so many clothes that my wives
will not have boxes to put them in.
I realize that I am a poor man—a worm of creation; but I just know
that when I dwell in the truth—in Jesus Christ—when I dwell in his
light and partake of his Spirit, I am right. I would give more for one
hundred men of this character than I would give for this whole people,
if they were not of that character. Can they whip the world? Yes; men
of that character will whip everything that can be put on that road,
from this place to Dan, and from there to Beersheba. Amen.
- Heber C. Kimball