You must expect, when you see brother Heber stand before you to speak,
that you will hear what is called the rough etchel to this generation.
I am pretty well satisfied, brethren, that there are only four or five
persons in this congregation that dislike to hear me talk; and when
you take out those four or five, I know that this people would rather
hear me speak than any other man who speaks from this stand, except
brother Brigham. It is not that those four or five have anything
particular against me, but it is because I do at many times give vent
to my feelings, and, by so doing, I hit them a crack where they
deserve it. Well, this is all right.
I wonder if there is a man or woman here that really wants to
be a Saint—I mean those that want to live their religion—but what
desire in their hearts and seek in their prayers to the Father that
they may be corrected when they are wrong—that they may be admonished?
Is there a person in this congregation but what has that desire and
that feeling? If there is, I am greatly mistaken; for I hear them when
I go into meetings and when I go into family circles; they will say,
if I have a wrong thing about me, I want to be corrected. Have you not
heard it so this morning? Every man that speaks before this community
has those feelings. Have not I those feelings? Brethren, if I have a
fault, or have anything about me which is not right, I want to get rid
of that; and so do you, if you are Saints.
Well, there is not a mother in this congregation but feels in that
way; else, when they see one of their children in fault, why do they
correct these children? Why do you correct them, when you are not
willing to be corrected yourselves? Neither a father nor a mother,
from this time forth, should correct a child, except they are willing
to be corrected in their faults.
Do you see it? You will see mothers who will correct their children
when they get angry, and that is almost the only time they will
correct a child. Am I angry today? Just look at me, and see if you
think I am angry. I tell you I am just as good-natured as I can be,
according to the nature of the case that I am now dwelling upon. Well,
this is for you to reflect upon.
Is this a good people? You may take the Elders of Israel throughout
these valleys, and those at the stations, between here and the United
States, and those that we have sent to the nations of the earth, and
then thousands, who never were here, and there never was a more
amenable set of men upon the earth, with the experience that we have
got; and there never was that day that this people were one as they
are one today; no, never.
Well, I feel to praise the Elders of Israel for their faithfulness.
Is there a chance for improvement, brethren, ye Elders of Israel? If
you think there is a chance for improvement, notwithstanding all of my
praising you, just raise your right hands. [A forest of hands was
raised.] Those that think there cannot be any improvement, but that
you are stereotyped, raise your hands. I cannot see any hands raised
upon that side.
When I went to chop, I was always taught to pull off my coat, and spit
on my hands. I pull off my coat because I am too warm. If I don't talk
here more than twenty minutes, I want my coat off.
May I tell you some of my feelings, and not have any of you angry with
me? [Voices: "Yes."] I hate to have the ladies angry with me, above
all things; and I will tell you one thing, and that is, all you that
are ladies will not find fault; but the woman that finds fault with
me, I can analyze her, and show you she is not a lady. I am a
physician. Well, you can hardly mention a thing that is good but what
I want to tell some of my feelings here today, in a few words,
relative to brother Brigham. I call him brother, because he says if I
call him President, he shall call me President; and just as sure as he
does, I am as flat as a pancake. I shall only call him President
before the Saints, in his calling—I was going to say before our
enemies; but, damn them, they shall never come here. Excuse me, I
never use rough words, only when I come in contact with rough things;
and I use smooth words when I talk upon smooth subjects, and
so on, according to the nature of the case that comes before me.
You all acknowledge brother Brigham as the President of the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; then you acknowledge him as our
Leader, Prophet, Seer, and Revelator; and then you acknowledge him in
every capacity that pertains to his calling, both in Church and State,
do you not? [Voices: "Yes."] Well, he is our Governor. What is
Governor? One who presides or governs. Well, now, we have declared, in
a legislative capacity, that we will not have poor, rotten-hearted
curses come and rule over us, such as some they have been accustomed
to send. We drafted a memorial, and the Council and the House of
Representatives signed it, and we sent to them the names of men of our
own choice—as many as from five to eight men for each office—men from
our own midst, out of whom to appoint officers for this Territory. We
sent that number for the President of the United States to make a
selection from, and asked him to give us men of our own choice, in
accordance with the rights constitutionally guaranteed to all American
citizens. We just told them right up and down, that if they sent any
more such miserable curses as some they had sent were, we would send
them home; and that is one reason why an army, or rather a mob, is on
the way here, as reported. You did not know the reason before, did
Well, we did that in a legislative capacity; we did it as members of
the Legislature—as your representatives; and now you have got to back
us up. You sent us, just as we sent brother Bernhisel to seek for our
rights and to stand in our defense at Washington.
Well, here is brother Brigham: he is the man of our own choice; he is
our Governor, in the capacity of a Territory, and also as Saints of
the Most High.
Well, it is reported that they have another Governor on the way now,
three Judges, a District Attorney, a Marshal, a Postmaster, and
Secretary, and that they are coming here with twenty-five hundred men.
The United States design to force those officers upon us by the point
of the bayonet.
Is not that a funny thing? You may think that I am cross, but I am
laughing at their calamity, and I will "mock when their fear cometh."
Now, gentlemen and ladies, you look at these things, and then right in
this book, the Bible. It says, our nobles shall be of ourselves; that
is, our Lords, our Judges, our Governors, our Marshals, and our
everything shall be of ourselves. Won't you read the 30th chapter of
18. Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of
Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city
shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after
the manner thereof.
19. And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them
that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few;
I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.
20. Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation
shall be established before me, and I will punish all them that
21. And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall
proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and
he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to
approach unto me? saith the Lord.
22. And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
23. Behold, the whirlwind of the Lord goeth forth with fury, a con tinuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the
24. The fierce anger of the Lord shall not return, until he have done
it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the
latter days ye shall consider it.
Well, the day has come when our Governor has come out of our midst, and
he is in the tops of the mountains, just where the Prophets said these
things should come to pass; and now the United States are reported to
be trying to force a Governor upon us, when the Lord has raised one up
right out of our midst.
Now, I am going to talk about these things, and I feel as though I had
a perfect right to do so, because I am one of the people.
If this people should consent to dispossess brother Brigham Young as
our Governor, they are just as sure to go to hell as they live, and I
know it; for God would forsake them and leave them to themselves, and
they would be in worse bondage than the children of Israel ever were.
Supposing this thing all blows over, and they don't come up here, but
they begin to flatter us and be friendly, what will be the result?
They may flatter as long as the earth stands, but I never will be
subject to one of their damned pusillanimous curses. They may court
and flatter as much as they please, but I never will be subject to
them again—no, never. Do you hear it? [Voices: "Yes."] Do you think
we will submit to them? No, never. They have cut the thread
You are the people who have the privilege to acknowledge brother
Brigham as our Governor and continue him in his office; and you also
have the privilege, through your agency, to reject him, if you please;
but it will be to your condemnation if you do, because he has got the
keys of the kingdom; and the very moment you reject him, you cut
yourselves off from the right of the Priesthood.
I will now bring up a comparison. I live in the City of Great Salt
Lake. I am a father, a husband, a benefactor to between sixty and
seventy subjects: I feed them; I clothe them; and they do not have a
pin, a drink of tea, nor anything but what I provide: I provide them
houses to live in and beds to sleep on. But suppose that, by-and-by,
some stranger comes along, and my family say to him, "We will have you
to preside over us," and they reject me, when at the same time they
say, "Brother Heber is a good man," but the other man comes with a
smiling face, and my family take him and reject me—what have they
done? If they reject me, they reject their head; and, by so doing,
they destroy their heirship to the head or limb to which they are
lawfully connected. Is not that so?
Suppose you acknowledge the man reported to be coming, what do you do?
You reject your head, and if so, where is the body, and what will
become of it? I will compare it to my body. Supposing the head is cast
away, the body will die, won't it? Yes; and you will die just as quick
as that, if you reject brother Brigham, your head.
We are the people of Deseret. She shall be Deseret; she shall be no
more Utah: we will have our own name. Do you hear it?
Brethren and sisters, these ideas are comforting to all of you: they
are most gloriously comforting to me. I tell you, the feelings within
me are glorious.
We are the people of Deseret, and it is for us to say whether we will
have brother Brigham for our Governor, or those poor, miserable devils
they are reported to be trying to bring here. You must know they are
miserable devils to have to come here under arms; but they shall not
rule over us nor come into this Territory. What do you say
about it? Are you willing, as a people, that they should come in here?
You that say they shall not, raise your right hands. [All hands
Mr. Gentile, won't you tell of this to your co-workers for the Devil's
The reason that I talk as I do is because I don't hold any office in
the United States; but this people, some time ago, appointed me
Chief-Justice of the State of Deseret, and brother John Taylor and
Bishop N. K. Whitney as my associates. You also appointed me
Lieutenant-Governor; I always told you I was going to be
Lieutenant-Governor. This is a stump speech!
We are going to have our own Governor from henceforth. Brigham Young
was then our Governor, Heber C. Kimball was Chief-Justice and
Lieutenant-Governor. I was a big man then; I felt as big as brother
Morley does in the Legislature. The fact is, he does not understand
their gabble: if he does, he understands more than I do.
It is for us to say, according to our rights under the Constitution,
whether we will have those cursed Gentiles to rule over us, or not.
I want you to publish this, Mr. Editor.
I am giving you a little of my feelings; for I want you to know that
you are under no more obligation to receive those men than brother
Brigham's family is to receive another man and to reject him as their
husband, their father, their friend, and benefactor.
I know that what I have said has informed many of your minds, and I
choose to present my ideas by comparison. I have a right to say the
Gentiles shall never rule over me, although this people might admit of
their coming here. I have a right to say, also, that we shall never be
ruled over by them from this day forth, while grass grows or water
runs; never, no, never.
Well, we have got to sustain these amens, and we have got to sustain
these vows. You ladies, too, will certainly have to do your part, or
back out. I told you last Sunday to arm yourselves; and if you cannot
do it any other way, sell some of your fine bonnets, fine dresses, and
buy yourselves a good dirk, a pistol, or some other instrument of war.
Arm your boys and arm yourselves universally, and that, too, with the
weapons of war; for we may be brought to the test, to see if we will
stand up to the line. I never knew it to fail, when men made
covenants, but they were brought to the test, to see if they would
live up to them.
This people have made covenants, they have made vows, and they have
been instructed by brother Brigham; and he has told them that those
covenants and penalties are true and faithful; and I say they are as
true as the Lord God liveth; and the day will come that you will have
to fulfil those vows and covenants that you have made; and not one
word shall fail.
I have told you of it, and I have backed it up when others have said
it. Now, mark it; for God will drive us to it. These instructions,
given to us from time to time, will have to be carried out and
fulfilled; for I just know that you have got to reap that which is
sown. If you sow to the spirit, you will reap life everlasting; but if
you sow to the flesh, we shall reap corruption; and the bed that we
make, we have got to lie in. Now, I will tell you another thing that
bears heavily on my mind, as much so as any other thing, and that is,
for this people to live their religion, and do as they are told.
I will ask you this question, gentle men and ladies—Can you
live your religion, except you do as you are told? I have said, again
and again, that if we live our religion, and do as we are told, those
men will never come over those mountains; for we shall slay the poor
devils before they get there.
I do not know of any religion, except doing as I am told; and if you
do, you have learned something that I have never learned. You have a
Governor here to dictate you and to tell you what to do; and if we
will live our religion, we are always safe, are we not?
There are a great many that will not live their religion, for they
think they belong to the aristocracy; but understand, gentlemen and
ladies, that I withdraw from that society. I told you last Sunday,
that of all the corrupt beings upon the face of the earth, the present
aristocracy are the worst.
I am a pretty rugged fellow, and valiant for the truth; and may the
Lord make everybody like me, that we may stand against our enemies;
for the corruptest devils on the earth are the present aristocracy.
Let us go to work and lay up our grain, lay up wheat, and everything
that will and can be preserved; and in so doing, we will save
ourselves from sorrow, pain, and anguish; and the Lord will give us a
law and a word for us to abide, and he will cut off our enemies; and
if every man and woman will go to work, lay up their grain, and do as
they are told, the Lord will hold off our enemies from us, until we
can lay up sufficient store for ourselves. This is a part of our
religion—to lay up stores and provide for ourselves and for the
surrounding country; for the day is near when they will come by
thousands and by millions, with their fineries, to get a little bread.
That time is right by our door.
Brother Stewart says he has dis covered that this work is five years
ahead of what he had supposed. Let me tell you that this people are
more than ten years ahead of what they supposed. They were all
asleep; but the Lord has waked them up, to prepare them for a time of
trial and famine. If you do not see it, and feel it, and taste it, and
smell it, it will be because God will have mercy upon you; and he
will, if you will do as you are told from this time forth.
Do I feel comfortable? Gentlemen and ladies, I never saw the day that
I felt any better. I become weary with toil, but I feel well in regard
to this work. But there is a spirit of calmness, of peace, that I am
I never have seen the day for twenty-five years, but before there was
a storm there was always a calm. In Kirtland, before the trouble
commenced, there was this calm. Joseph and Hyrum were men that would
stand the test, but finally they had to flee from Kirtland to
Missouri. Well, previous to that, we had received our endowments, and
a more calm, heavenly, and prosperous time I never saw.
Was it so in Missouri? Yes, it was: after they became settled, they
became composed; and the year of the trouble we never had such crops
in the world as we had then.
Was it not so in Nauvoo? Yes; and the spirit of composure rested upon
the people; and it is more or less so now; and such crops as we have
this year never were produced.
What does this mean? And the spirit of composure seems to be upon the
people more than ever. And what does this mean? I am rather inclined
to be jealous of it. Say I, wake up, ye Saints of Zion, while it is
called today, lest trouble and sorrow come upon you, as a thief in
Suppose it is not coming, will it hurt you to lay up the products of
the earth for seven years? Will it hurt you, if you have your
guns, swords, and spears in good condition, according to the law of the
United States? Some of the States give a man his clearance at forty
years of age; others, at forty-five: they call men to train when they
are eighteen years of age; but we call upon all from six to six
hundred years old: we do not except any; and I want the world to know
that we are ready for anything that comes along. If it is good, we are
ready for that; and if it is evil, we are ready to stand against it.
We are calculating to sow our wheat early this fall, in case of
emergency. I throw out these things for you to think upon; and if they
are not right, they will not hurt anybody.
But wake up, ye Saints of the Most High, and prepare for any emergency
that the Lord our God may have pleasure in bringing forth. We never
shall leave these valleys—till we get ready; no, never; no, never. We
will live here till we go back to Jackson County, Missouri. I prophesy
that, in the name of Israel's God.
[The congregation shouted "Amen," and President B. Young said, "It is
If our enemies force us to destroy our orchards and our property, to
destroy and lay waste our houses, fields, and everything else, we
shall never build and plant again, till we do it in Jackson County.
But our enemies are not here yet, and we have not yet thrown down our
houses. Let me tell you, if God designs that Israel should now become
free, they will come and strike the blow; and if he does not, they
will not come. That is as true as that book (pointing to the Bible).
Go to work, and lay up your grain, and do not lay it out for fine
clothes, nor any other kind of fine thing, but make homespun trousers
and petticoats. What would please me more than for my family, instead
of wanting me to go to the store for petticoats and short gowns, to
see them go to work and make some good homespun? What would be
prettier than some of the English striped linsey, and a bonnet made of
our own straw? Those are the women I would choose for wives. If you
want virtue, go into the farming country, for there it is homespun.
Farming districts contain the essence and the virtue of old England.
I do not know that you know what homespun is; but it is that which is
spun at home; and it is for your welfare, both men, women, and
children, to make your own clothing. It is also for your salvation to
equip yourselves according to law.
Now, I will tell you, I have about a hundred shots on hand all the
time—three or four fifteen-shooters, and three or four revolvers,
right in the room where I sleep; and the Devil does not like to sleep
there, for he is afraid they will go off half-cocked.
If you will lay a bowie knife or a loaded revolver under your pillow
every night, you will not have many unpleasant dreams, nor be troubled
with the nightmare; for there is nothing that the Devil is so much
afraid of as a weapon of death.
You may take this as some of Heber's wild visions, if you please. I
have acknowledged myself as one of the people; and now I say, we will
take our own name, and we will not be false-named any more. We are the
Kingdom of God; we are the STATE OF DESERET; and we will have you, brother
Brigham, as our Governor just so long as you live. We will not have
any other Governor.
I mean just what I say, and this people say they will not have any
other Governor, and especially anyone that has to come here under
arms; for we consider that any man is a poor, damned curse that has to
come here under arms to rule over us. These are my feelings;
and if anybody votes against it, they are not of us: but there are but
four or five but what vote for us; and they are apostates, and will go
overboard. There is not a child but what goes with us in these things.
When we reject brother Brigham Young, we reject the head; but we will
not do it, for the body shall dwell together, and we are members of
that body, and he shall be our Governor just as long as God Almighty
will have him to be. Those who are in favor of it, raise your hands.
[The vote was unanimous.]
You may try it just as long as you like, and it will be just so every
time, except those four or five, and they never will vote. Can I point
them out? Yes, I can. I have had my eye on them ever since they came
into the congregation.
Let us do our duty, be humble, prayerful, honest, virtuous, and
punctual in all our engagements. Let us have no lying, no deception;
but let us be honest, and let the laboring men that labor on the
public works be honest, and let them be punctual to their work.
Why do I speak to the public hands? Because they are on the most
important work there is in the world. And how would a man feel to go
into that house (pointing to the endowment house), that had stolen the
nails out of the carpenter's shop or out of the machine shop, or the
boards out of the lumber yard?
Let us be faithful, and the Lord will be on our side, and I doubt
whether we shall be under the necessity of shedding much blood
ourselves; but let us be ready, guns cocked; none of your half-cocked.
This is my exhortation to Israel; and may the Lord God bless the
righteous, the humble, those that tell the truth, and those that are
honest and punctual.
Can I bless any that are not hum ble and amenable to their superiors?
Can I bless those that are always finding fault? I wish to God I
could; but blessings would not stick to them; but if you will do as
you are told, you shall be blessed in everything that you put your
hands to, from this time forth and forever. You shall have health and
strength, and you shall multiply and increase in everything you
undertake to do: and that is not all: you will have faith, that, when
a man or woman that is sick sends for you to bless them, you will say,
"Be thou made whole;" and that will be the case from this time
henceforth and forever.
There is one man whom we saw up north when we went to eat watermelons,
who had thought of having an artesian well bored. He said, "If I knew
that we were going to stop here three years, I would have one very
soon." Says I to that gentleman—You put out peach trees, apple trees,
apricots, and currants; and if we have to go into the mountains, we
shall cut off the trees, and the roots will be there still; but we
shall not go into the mountains.
We were told that we were going into the woods before we came here;
and then, when we got here, there were no woods. But you need not be
afraid; you go and graft and inoculate your trees, and build houses,
that you may know how to build when you get to Jackson County.
All that we built in Kirtland, in Far West, in Missouri, in Nauvoo,
and in Winter Quarters—for every one of those places, gentlemen, we
are to have our pay. Who are to pay us? Those that took our property
away from us, we will make servants of them: the day will come that we
will have them for our vinedressers, and we will set them to digging
holes to put the rest of the damned scoundrels in who have rebelled
against God and His servants. Amen.
- Heber C. Kimball