I have appreciated brother Elias Smith's remarks. He has stated things
as they are, according to my knowledge. I have been acquainted with
him some twenty-three or twenty-four years. He is our Judge in this
county, and I can say to his praise that he is one of the best Judges
we have in the Territory; and my prayer and wish to God is that we may
not have a swore Judge from this time henceforth and forever, and
that we may never have any Judges in this Territory but men of our own
choice, and that we may never have any person to preside over us in
the capacity of a Governor of this Territory but the man of our own
choice. [Voices: "Amen." ] And I can say further, we never will.
[Voices: "Amen." ] I have my reasons for this.
This people here are the people of God. Here, in the Territory of
Deseret, is the kingdom of God, and here are all the officers
pertaining to that kingdom; and here is an organization that is
organized after the order of God, and it is organized after the order
of the Church of the Firstborn.
Let me explain what the Church of the Firstborn is. It is the first
Church that ever was raised up upon this earth; that is, the first
born Church. That is what I mean; and when God our Father organized
that Church, He organized it just as His Father organized the Church
on the earth where He dwelt; and that same order is organized here in
the City of Great Salt Lake; and it is that order that Joseph Smith
the Prophet of God organized in the beginning in Kirtland, Ohio.
Brother Brigham Young, myself, and others were present when that was
done; and when those officers received their endowments, they were
together in one place. They were organized, and received their
endowments and blessings, and those keys were placed upon them, and
that kingdom will stand forever.
Now mark it—that kingdom will never be overthrown; although they may
kill, that is, if they can, brother Brigham and me, and brother Daniel
H. Wells, and they may kill the Apostles, if they can, and so they may
keep on from this time to all eternity, and they never can obliterate
this work. I know it. They may kill, and destroy, and waste a
great many limbs that are upon this Church; but let me tell you, they
never can kill the tree nor destroy the root from whence we have
sprung; for our Father and our God is that root, and Jesus Christ, the
Son of God, is the tree or vine, and we spring out of that vine; and
if we keep His commandments and receive the Spirit of God, the Holy
Ghost, it is that nourishment that comes down directly from the
Father, from Jesus Christ, the true vine.
And as President Buchanan, the President of the United States of
America, holds the keys of the government of this whole nation, so
Brigham Young holds the keys pertaining to this Church and people.
Well, do I suppose, when I reflect, that troops are being sent here
without President Buchanan's permission? No, not for a moment: he has
permitted it. We are a poor, isolated people, driven over one thousand
miles from our native land, and many of us have been driven and broken
up five times; and he and his coadjutors have acknowledged it and have
said pointedly there could nothing be done for us as a community: and
here we are, after sending forth our men, the Elders of Israel, and
redeeming this land from Mexico. They are now designing to come with
troops to break us up and to kill our Prophets, and our Apostles, and
Brethren, I will tell you one thing, and you may be sure of it, as the
Lord God lives, and as my soul lives, that nations that raise the
weapons of war against this people shall perish by those weapons.
[Voices: "Amen." ] Every nation, every tongue, and every people shall
perish, and every man and woman that gives consent to it. [Voices:
"Amen." ] You may "Amen" to the whole of it, for it is true. Go
read the Book of Mor mon, the Prophets, and the revelations given to
Joseph the Prophet; and you will learn that God has said that every
nation and every people on this earth that will not serve Him shall be
This is the kingdom of God. When they fight us, they fight God, and
Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost, and they fight all the Prophets that
have been from the creation down to the present time. Why? Because
Joseph was the last Prophet; God spoke to him, placed the keys upon
him, by Peter, James, and John. Do you suppose they did it without
having authority from Jesus? No; Jesus told them when to do it, and
told them who the man was; and Joseph, the Prophet of the living God,
placed those keys on brother Brigham.
The Father told Jesus when to go and again commit these keys to men on
the earth; Jesus told the Twelve when to do it; Joseph told Brigham
when to do it. Now, look at it naturally, and you will see that every
man and woman that raise their hands against this people will be
destroyed, and that without remedy.
Set your heart at rest, then: you need not be troubled, nor frightened
at all; for as the Lord liveth, and we live, we will prosper, and we
will come off victorious. [Voices: "Amen." ] You know we have to stick
in an if—if you live your religion, and will do as you are told, and
become like the clay in the hands of the potter.
Who are you to be subject to? You say you are willing to be subject to
God—to Jesus Christ. You are willing, if Peter came along, to listen
to him. Well, Peter is here, John is here, Elias is here, Elijah is
here, Jesus is here, and the Father is here. What! In person? If not
in person, their authority is here, with all the power that ever was
or ever will be to seal men and women up to everlasting life—seal them
on earth and in heaven, by the power of Elijah, which is upon
brother Brigham; and it is on every man he authorizes.
Joseph had those keys and powers directly from those men, and we
received them from Joseph; so you see we are legal heirs to the
kingdom of heaven. You have got to be subject to these powers that be;
for there is no power only that which is ordained of God. You have to
listen to that.
Can we be Saints by having our own will, our own way? Brother Elias
has been talking about that this morning, how he has felt that will
that was in him. Gentlemen, he has not been easy to handle and place
upon the wheel; if he had been, he would have been filled with
almighty power, even the power that was upon Joseph and Brigham, and
upon every other good man in this Church; but he is going to walk up
henceforth; he ain't going to stand back any more. He is akin to
brother Joseph, and Joseph is ashamed of his own kindred that will not
step forth and be valiant, and God is ashamed of them.
Be passive in the hands of God, in the hands of His servants, as clay
in the hands of the potter. How is that? How can the servants of God
mold you, fashion you, and prepare you to become molded and
fashioned after the likeness of God, unless you are passive?
If you go into the adobe yard, you may see men engaged in the
business of adobe making, and you can see them molding adobes out
of the elements. Suppose that clay would not be passive, but would
have its own will, and not be subject to the molder of the adobes,
he could not mold them, because the adobe would not let him mold
When I carried on the pottery business, I used to take a good deal of
pains to get good clay, and hauled it a long distance, and then I
always immersed it before I put it into the mill to grind it. Why? To
make it passive; and I mold, grind, and grind it again, until it
becomes passive; then I took it out of the mill, and carried it into
the shop, where it was kneaded as you would a cake, and then put on to
the wheel and turned into a vessel unto honor. Did I ever design to
turn a vessel unto dishonor? No. If I did, I did not get any reward
for it: I only got reward for those I molded and fashioned according
to the dictation of my master; and I presented them to him that he
might receive them, as Jesus says—"Father, I have lost none of those
thou gavest me, except the son of perdition."
Go into the blacksmith's shop, on this block, and you will find
brother Jonathan Pugmire, the foreman. I go to him and say, "Brother
Jonathan, make me an axe." He goes to work with a piece of iron that,
the moment he tries to shape it, flies into a thousand pieces. "I can
do nothing with that," says he; "I must get a piece of iron that will
be passive, and then I will make you an axe that will be as keen as a
razor." He gets another piece, and that begins to fly. It is not the
fault of the blacksmith. "But," says the iron, "don't you handle me
this manner." He throws that aside: that has got to go back to the
furnace again, to be melted and made into a loop, and that turned out
into iron again, because it was not passive; and then it becomes
passive by getting the snappish stuff out of it: it runs out with the
dross. The dross, you know, is very brittle and snappish.
When you find a man or woman snappish and fretful, and not willing to
be subject, you may know there is a good deal of dross in that
character, because dross is brittle. That dross has got to come out.
Talking about trials, brother Elias says he did not come here with the pioneers. It was pretty hard and laborious, I admit; but it
was one of the pleasantest journeys I ever performed. Still there was
a great deal of care and anxiety, especially on brother Brigham and
those that helped him. Did we persevere? We did. We came here to the
Valleys of the Mountains, and you have followed us.
Let me tell you, gentlemen, you have got to learn to be passive and be
like clay in the hands of the potter, or be like a tallowed rag or
wick before a hot fire: it becomes limber and passive, and you can tie
it into a thousand knots, and it will not break.
Are you of that nature that you will not break and fly as though there
were a hundred convulsions in you? You have got to come to that
standard, as true as you ever become the true subjects and heirs of
the kingdom of God. And let brother Brigham take a hundred men of that
character, and I would give more for them than ten thousand people who
are stiff in their own way; and he would take that hundred men and go
into the mountains and whip out the world.
We read that one shall chase a thousand, and two shall put ten
thousand to flight. We read that in the Bible. You have always heard
it from the days of your youth to the present time. Do you appreciate
We will refer to Gideon, the Prophet of God, when his host was so
numerous that he went and made a selection of three hundred men to put
all his enemies to flight. That is in the Bible. For heaven's sake,
believe that, if you won't believe me.
There was Daniel, a servant of God, one who kept His commandments; he
was valiant, and his friends said to him, "Daniel, put down the
window, or they will see you praying." "I will pray with it open," he
replied; and he opened his window and prayed, and told them all that
he asked no odds of them. "I will pray to my Father and God, who can
preserve me in a den of lions, or in boiling hot oil, or in anything
else, and He will sustain me while He will send you to hell, you poor
devils." He had such confidence in his God.
Should not you have as much confidence in God as brother Brigham,
Heber, or the Twelve Apostles have?—as much confidence in this vine
as any branch that pertains to it? You should.
To gratify some who cry, "Oh, don't say anything, brother
say anything, brother Brigham, to bring down the United States upon
us," we have at times omitted printing some of the remarks that might
offend the weak-stomached world, and we have made buttermilk and
catnip tea to accommodate the tastes of our enemies; but the poor
devils are not pleased after all. Would they come any quicker if we
told them that they were poor, miserable, priest-ridden curses, who
want a President in the chair that dare not speak for fear those
hellhounds be on him?
God knew that Zachary Taylor would strike against us, and He sent him
to hell. President Fillmore was the next man who came on the platform,
and he did us good. God bless him! Then came President Pierce, and he
did not strive to injure us. We hoped that the next after him would do
us justice; but he has issued orders to send troops to kill brother
Brigham and me, and to take the young women to the States.
The woman will be damned that will go: she shall dry up in the
fountain of life, and be as though she never was. But there ain't any
agoing—[Voices: "There are none that want to go!" ]—unless they
are whores. If the soldiers come here, those creatures will have the
privilege of showing themselves and of becoming debauched.
I tell you there is not a purer set of women on God's earth
than there is here; and they shall live and bear the souls of men, and
bear tabernacles for those righteous spirits that are kept back for
the last time, for the winding-up scenery.
Will the President that sits in the chair of state be tipped from his
seat? Yes, he will die an untimely death, and God Almighty will curse
him; and He will also curse his successor, if he takes the same
stand; and he will curse all those that are his coadjutors, and all who
sustain him. What for? For coming here to destroy the kingdom of God,
and the Prophets, and Apostles, and inspired men and women; and God
Almighty will curse them, and I curse them in the name of the Lord
Jesus Christ, according to my calling; and if there is any virtue in
my calling, they shall be cursed, every man that lifts his heel
against us from this day forth. [Voices: "Amen." ]
Am I afraid? No; but I am afraid to do wrong. I feel joy in my heart
to be valiant and tell you the truth; and I pray that God my Father
and his Son Jesus Christ may bring the evil upon them that they desire
for this people.
Our enemies are crying out that we are confused, that we have
rebelled, and that the Devil is to pay. I pray that God Almighty may
bring that thing upon them that they have imagined upon us. But we are
at peace and in harmony; we are worshipping and serving God. Will they
overcome us? Never; no, never; no, never, while the earth stands, if
we will stand up and be valiant.
I know that you never heard brother Brigham rebuke me for being
valiant before this people. He says, "Let her go, Heber; let her
slide." You never saw any other spirit in him in your life; and every
other good man there is will say so and has said so; and they are the
elect of God, and they will be saved.
But be wise, be wise, be still, as I told a man this morning. Said I,
You are always talking, you talk to everybody, and think everybody our
friends; but they are not. I have lots and scores of friends here, and
so has brother Brigham, who, by their ignorance would destroy us from
You have received your endowments. What is it for? To learn you to
hold your tongues, and keep what you get, and increase upon it. If you
do not keep the word of life you receive—that which proceeds from God,
your minds never will expand, and you will always be barren, like unto
a barren woman.
Now, receive the seed, as Jesus says; and if that seed takes root, it
will grow, and swell, and sprout, and bring forth. What will it bring
forth? Something like the character that produced the seed. If you
plant corn in the field, and that corn is rooted out of the ground, it
perishes, and don't produce anything. Receive the word and treasure it
up in your hearts, and then you shall continue to receive the word of
life, here a little and there a little; and you shall grow, and
increase, and multiply, and no good thing shall be withheld from you.
Learn, above all things, brethren and sisters, to have a passive
spirit, and be subject where you should be subject. I hear a great
many say, "I am willing to be subject to brother Brigham, but I don't
want to be subject to this one and to that one." Let me tell you,
gentlemen and ladies, if you won't be subject to my words, and listen
to them, and receive them, you will not be subject to and receive
brother Brigham's words. How can it be possible for you to receive his
words and reject mine?
Now, we will say brother Brigham is the head of this vine that has
sprung out in the latter days—that is, the head of the vine
that is upon the earth, that you naturally see; but Joseph was the
head of the vine when he was here, and he is now, only you cannot see
him: then I am connected to that vine, as one of brother Brigham's
Counselors; and then the Twelve, the Seventies, High Priests, and
other officers. Now, just look at it. Why should you not listen to one
man as much as to another connected to that vine; in case he produces
the fruit of that vine? And they should know whether that branch is
connected to the vine: they should know whether the fruit is the same
as that produced by the head of the vine.
When I speak the truth, is it not the same as though brother Brigham
spoke it? When I tell it as it is in the Lord Jesus Christ, what is
the difference? I can go into my garden and show you apple trees there
with perhaps a hundred limbs which have apples on them. You may taste
an apple from the first or head limb, then of the second, and the
third, and the hundredth; and the fruit tastes just alike, because it
all came from one tree, and the tree came from the root, and it is all
This is the principle; we should be connected one with the other,
every Quorum in its place, and keep organized, and keep in our places,
according to the order of the Church of the Firstborn.
Are we going to be preserved? Bless your souls! I have no more fears,
if this people will live their religion, and learn to be passive like
clay in the hands of the potter, than as though I was in heaven; for
if I was there and rebelled, as Lucifer did, I should expect to be
chastised and cast out with all those connected with me.
A great many suppose that when they get there they will be perfectly
safe. You will, if you keep the com mandments of God; but if you cannot
learn to keep the commandments of God in Great Salt Lake City, how can
you learn to keep them when you have to flee to the mountains? And if
you cannot keep them here, how do you expect to keep them in Jackson
County?—for we are as sure to go back there as we exist.
This Church and kingdom will reign triumphant; and when the United
States take a course to bring us into collision, they will strive to
take away everything from us that they have given us. What of it? We
will make them the aggressors: they shall be the first men that shall
rebel against God and against this people; and if we are not the
aggressors, and we stand on the defensive, and they come upon us, and
they fall into our hands, the Lord says, if they repent and we forgive
them, our blessings shall be doubled unto us; so also for the second
time: but if he comes upon you the third time, thine enemy is in thine
hands; thou mayest do with him as seemeth thee good: but if he repent,
and you forgive him the third time, then I will reward unto you a
hundredfold. But don't you forgive, unless brother Brigham does. If
he says, Give them justice and righteousness, then it will be right.
Now, you need not sit here as judges, and judge brother Brigham. Good
heaven! How does anyone without any priesthood look when judging him
and his brethren? He is capable of judging all things pertaining to
this kingdom; for he has the keys of light and revelation, and God is
with him. I cannot comprehend him, only in proportion to the measure
of the Spirit bestowed upon me. Can brother Wells comprehend me? No,
he cannot, nor never can, only as he has the same measure of the
Spirit; and no man can comprehend his file leader, except he has the
same measure of the Spirit.
But let me walk in my place, and the sap that is in brother
Brigham is in me; and the sap that is in me is in him: but can I
measure any further than my capacity? No. Then what do you judge me
for? God will lead brother Brigham; don't you be scared. He will give
him revelation upon revelation; and when he says, Do this or that, God
will sanction it, and he will bless all men and women that walk up to
it, and curse every one that backs out.
Suppose I am partaking of the same spirit and nourishment that brother
Brigham partakes of, and he is resting himself while brother Heber
speaks, don't you see he speaks the mind of brother Brigham? You may
see it has been so all the time, and it will be so forever.
You have come to me, and I have given you counsel, and then you have
gone to brother Brigham, and he has given you the same counsel; and
when you have asked counsel of him, and then come to me, you say,
"That is just as brother Brigham said to me." Do you suppose I could
give any counsel contrary to his mind?
Well, then, let that Spirit and power be in our families, and I want
to know what difference there will be? Brother Hyde, don't you never
give counsel from this time henceforth but what would be the counsel
of brother Brigham. Just so with the Seventies.
There is brother Pratt, in England, and the brethren that preside
there: let those men do as the Spirit of God dictates them, without
being carried off by some other spirit, and they will never go
astray—no, never, although they are nine thousand miles from here. By
taking this course, would you ever see a wife trying to pervert the
way of her husband? I am talking about good men and good women. Would
she do it? No: she would be one with him, even as I am one with
Listen to the counsel of God and those men that are placed here; and
if you will do that, I can promise you, in the name of Israel's God,
and by virtue of my calling, that you never shall be swerved aside,
and our enemies shall be overcome every time before they cross that
Big Mountain, if we have to do it ourselves.
If I did not say that, you would be calculating that we were going to
make a perfect servant and drudge of our God, just as a great many
of you wish to make of us. If you want a pound of coffee, or tea, or a
pair of shoes, it is, "Come, brother Heber, go quick, and get me what
I want; if you don't, I will go and tell brother Brigham." Go, and be
I wish that all such characters were in hell, where they belong.
[Voice: "They are there." ] I know it; and it is that which makes them
wiggle so—the poor, miserable devils. They would make our Father and
God a drudge—make him do the dirty work, kill those poor devils, and
every poor, rotten-hearted curse in our midst. With them it is, "O
Lord, kill them, kill them, damn them, kill them, Lord." It is just
like that, and their course has just as much nonsense in it. We intend
to kill the poor curses ourselves, before they get to the Big
Mountain. And we are going to dig a cache, or take some natural one,
and put all the whining men and women into it, and let them whine. We
want to be released from such poor hellions, and we will be; we won't
have a murmurer or complainer in the House of Israel. If we go out to
war, let them stay here, and let the Devil handle them.
How long is it, brother Brigham, since we first went to Kirtland?
[Brother Brigham: Twenty-four years, this fall.] In September, 1833,
we went to Kirtland and gathered with Joseph and the Saints. We had to
go and buy guns, and stand in his defense, in that early day;
and we did it for months and months, to keep the hellions from him in
Kirtland, twenty-four years ago; and so it continued from that day to
the day of his death; and it is just so now. They are trying to take
the lives of brother Brigham and your leaders. It is their design, and
the design of the President of the United States, with his cabinet,
and of Congress; and all the priests there are in the world back them
up. That is the truth.
Get the Spirit of the Lord, and stop your whining, every one of you.
"Oh," says one, "I will leave you, if you don't wait on me as you
hitherto, and get me all the things I ask for." I wish you would: you
could not please me better. Does that show such whiners have got
integrity in them? A man or woman that has got integrity should have
it, if there is nothing but a potato to eat. And if you have not a
stocking to your feet, nor a gown, nor a petticoat, nor a short gown,
you should be as true as the sun to the servants of the living God;
and if you are not so under such circumstances, you would not be if
you were loaded down with treasures.
It is true, I will tell you, the day of your being petted is past; and
you have got to come to the crisis when the gate will be shut down
between us and the United States, and that very soon, ladies and
gentlemen; and if you don't get your test, you may say I am false.
[President Young, in a crying tone, said, "There are no more ribbons
coming here: what shall I do?" ]
O dear, I want to know if we ain't going to have any more ribbons? A
great many of your hearts are on nothing else but ribbons, and fine
dresses, and bustles, and fineries: you don't think of anything else.
What is your religion good for, or your integrity? Did brother Brigham
and Heber turn away from Joseph, because the Kirtland Bank broke, and
the stores all run out, until there was nothing but an old dried-up
Did we forsake him? No, never; and we never had anything except we
worked for it and go it by the hardest licks; and our wives would
think that they were very extravagant to get a piece of calico of six
yards for a dress pattern; and they thought that there were too many
puckers then: and now you have got to have six or eight breadths
puckered up. Why don't you take some of those breadths out and make
aprons, and not call on your husbands for new calico, &c., every week.
No man on the earth loves women better than I do. I love a good woman,
one that has a good spirit; I love that woman that will strive to make
me happy, and I love that son that seeks to please his father and
mother; for he will make a good husband. I love that daughter that
seeks to please her father and mother, because she will make a good
You cannot help yourselves; the gate will be shut down directly,
ladies. I am talking to you because it is customary in the States to
address the ladies first; so, if you get it first, you must not be
jealous of me. I respect our ladies; and there should not be a lady in
the house of Israel but what should be like an angel to administer to
her husband, and to pray for him, and to nourish him by night and by
day, and watch his house and his pillow, and see that he is preserved
in the last days.
We have got to go to work and manufacture our own clothing, our shoes,
our stockings, our bonnets, our dresses, and everything we need.
I will refer you to brother Brigham's words. How many times has he
said to you, Ladies, make your own bonnets at home, out of the
elements that grow in the valley of Great Salt Lake and in the
regions round about. Why do you not do it? Tell about listening to
brother Brigham! You look today as though you were listening to his
Many of the sisters presume to judge us. Say they, There is brother
Kimball; his women have all got store bonnets, and ribbons, and laces,
and this, that, and the other thing, brooches, jewelry, and feather
beds sowed under their arms. Ain't we just as good as they? Yes, if you
do as well as they do.
I won't say anything about anybody else's family, only my own. Are you
listening to brother Brigham's counsel? Some of you say, I am willing
to listen to him. Well, listen to him, and listen to him forever. I
am under the necessity of laying out of my substance, and every dime I
have got, and that I can get, that I would lay up for a little sugar,
a little of this, and a little of that, that we actually need, a
little butter and lard, that we grow in our midst; but instead of
that, I have to pay every dime I can get for morocco shoes, for my
women to wear to meeting; and they will wear out a pair while once
going to meeting. [Voice: "Don't you wish they earned them
themselves?" ] Yes, I pray that you may have to earn them with your own
fingers, or go without them. I pray that prayer, and I know it will
come to pass.
I am defending brother Brigham here, and that by the Holy Ghost and
the dictation of the counsel he received from the Father, and the Son,
and the old Patriarchs, and Prophets. You may go home, and say,
Brother Kimball is hard. Go and say it as quick as you please. I ask
no odds of any such people. I am independent of you; I know his
feelings, I will preach his word, and the word of God that came
through him; and that is all that will save you.
Do you want such things to cease? I just know it ain't right. We ought
to make our own leather, and we can make as good as can be made in the
States: but no, we must have some States leather. We can make as good
things here as can be made by any other people; but you want foreign
We have our Spanish fixings—a pair of spurs that will weigh seven
pounds, ringing and gingling as though all hell was coming. Why don't
you put them away? I want you to make an ox goad with a spike in the
end of it, and ram that into your horse, and get this instead of
spurs, and destroy a horse at once. I cannot keep a decent horse,
neither can brother Brigham, or any other man; for the boys will kill
them. Let them rest: they are as good as we are in their sphere of
action; they honor their calling, and we do not, when we abuse them:
they have the same life in them that you have, and we should not hurt
them. It hurts them to whip them, as bad as it does you; and when they
are drawing as though their daylights would fly out of them, you must
whip, whip, whip. Is there religion in that? No; it is an abuse of
God's creation that he has created for us.
I do not think that many ever suppose that animals are going to be
resurrected. When God touched Elijah's eyes, and he looked on the
mountain, he saw chariots and horses, and men by thousands and
millions. Where did they come from? There is nothing on this earth but
what came from heaven, and it grew and was created before it grew on
this earth: the Bible says so.
We grow peaches here, and they are created, and we send them to
Sanpete. Don't they grow before they are sent? Yes, and everything
that is upon this earth grew before it came here; it was transported
from heaven to earth.
Let as us be merciful to the brute creation.
God bless you, brethren and sisters, and multiply you. Peace be with
you, and upon this people, and upon your children, and upon every
being on the Lord's footstool that wishes peace to Israel. [Voices:
The world is going to seek to destroy us from the earth. [Voice: "They
will destroy themselves." ] They will destroy themselves, as the Lord
liveth, and the day of their destruction has come. [Voices:
"Amen." ]The Lord God will bring mildew on the nation that has
afflicted us; for that nation shall take it first, and thence it shall
go forth to every nation, kingdom, government, and state, and upon
every town that shall lift their heels against God and this people.
- Heber C. Kimball